New Wellness Guidelines

[huneychild]

Here is a story on the Wellness program that you may find interesting.

www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=225733418

It just goes to show that nothing is safe anymore. It also shows that our guy Regal was done dirty.

[Ashton]

That's bullshit. For one, that is taking it waaaaaaaay too far. Secondly, that can really ruin someone's reputation. Remember when all those people on the Internet were saying that Regal "fell of the wagon"? Turns out that he might have taken something and never known it. I wonder what those people are thinking now? Fucking Internet.

(Although the Internet did produce this lovely site. ;D)

[lindsay]

Wow ... that's an eye opener. Hell I'd fail the wellness test LOL!

I can certainly see how Regal could have taken a contaminated substance.

I don't get it.... I mean, I know after Benoit, the WWE went out of its way to show that the company was "looking after" its wrestlers, etc. I know steroids are bad, etc. But as far as competition goes, test for illegal drugs and be done with it. This isn't the freakin' Olympics. If they want to take steroids, that's their choice. The outcome of the match is predetermined, so it's not like they're cheating in the ring.

[huneychild]

Oct 13, 2008 14:44:07 GMT -5 lindsay said:

Wow ... that's an eye opener. Hell I'd fail the wellness test LOL!

I can certainly see how Regal could have taken a contaminated substance.

I don't get it.... I mean, I know after Benoit, the WWE went out of its way to show that the company was "looking after" its wrestlers, etc. I know steroids are bad, etc. But as far as competition goes, test for illegal drugs and be done with it. This isn't the freakin' Olympics. If they want to take steroids, that's their choice. The outcome of the match is predetermined, so it's not like they're cheating in the ring.

Lindsay, you are right on all points.

Vince really wants us to believe that the WWE is looking out for everyone's well being and taking measures to prevent another tragedy. We all know that is a crock of shit. He put this program into play when Eddie Guererro died, but look what it did for Chris Benoit. A young woman and a little boy died as a result.

The drugs and steroid use are not the problem. It is the hectic schedule and the fact that they don't give these guys time off to recuperate from small injuries. The painkillers and steroids are what keeps these guys looking the part and going out to perform in as little pain as possible. I'm not saying its right, but I understand it.

I truly believe Vince turns a blind eye to those who are really abusing the steroids. He'll use someone like Regal and Jeff Hardy as an example of the "success" and "seriousness" of the program, but I'm sure that his son-in-law doesn't have to take a drug test. Neither does John Cena nor Batista. One time, I read that Scott Steiner said he was asked to take a drug test and he said he would take it if Vince himself and Triple H took it with him. I thought that was really funny. Whats funnier is that they didn't bother him after that.

[lindsay]

Wow, I just read the letter that Rep. Henry Waxman sent to the Office of National Drug Control Policy on Jan. 2. It rips WWE's "Wellness Program" as well as TNA's (but WWE more so than TNA). It paints Vince as knowingly looking the other way, and only enforcing the policy against certain performers, but not all. (Have we not all discussed that here ;D)

It appears WWE may be in serious trouble on Capitol Hill While I agree that steroid and drug use is a bad thing, I would much rather Congress focus on -- oh something important for everyone -- jobs, the economy, war, world peace, health care, social security.

It's way too long to post the entire letter, but here is the conclusion portion:

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Conclusion

The evidence obtained by the Oversight Committee indicates that illegal use of steroids
and other drugs in professional wrestling is a serious problem that the wrestling organizations are
not effectively addressing. One former wrestler who agreed to talk to Committee staff on
condition of anonymity explained that, in the wrestling business, "steroids are like white socks
and tape, they're just part of your gear,"

Since the Committee began its investigation last year, both the WWE and the TNA have
made efforts to improve their steroid testing programs. But these efforts suffer from a lack of
independence and transparency. As a result of these weaknesses, the organizations appear
unable to effectively prevent the use of steroids and other illegal drugs by professional wrestlers.

Over 3 million children and teenagers watch professional wrestling each week. The
apparently widespread use of steroids in professional wrestling sends the wrong message to
youth. For this reason, I request that ONDCP examine steroid use in professional wrestling and
take appropriate steps to address this problem.

If you have any questions regarding this letter, please contact Brian Cohen of the
Committee staff at [phone].
Sincerely

Henry A. Waxman

Chairman

[Ashton]

Jan 3, 2009 11:35:03 GMT -5 lindsay said:

Over 3 million children and teenagers watch professional wrestling each week. The
apparently widespread use of steroids in professional wrestling sends the wrong message to
youth.

How?! I don't know about you, but I've never seen a wrestler do steriods on WWE programming. Pretty hard for children to be influenced by something they don't even know exists.

Now, I've seen wrestlers exercising, lifting weights on TV, in WWE magazine, etc. So could they be trying to portray a message of fitness? How terrible!

Besides, if WWE is soooooooo terrible, why are children even watching it anyway? Why is WWE being attacked when you can go out and buy a video games that's a thousand times more violent?

Maybe we should leave parenting up to parents. Crazy thought.

Anyways, I agree with you Lindsay; maybe Congress should work on the economy before deciding what's morally corrupt for kids.

[lindsay]

Damn Benoit

He's what started all of this. Man goes nuts and kills his family, so let's hold a congressional hearing. I don't think anyone's stopped to consider that maybe he had "issues" other than taking steroids. I know steroids are bad and lead to "roid rage." But please, his wrestling accomplishments aside, the man was unbalanced.

I don't mean to make light of the situation. What he did was awful, but there were clearly warning signs, and again, not meaning to be insensitive, the man was abusive and his wife didn't leave. Duh....

Sorry, I just have zero empathy for women in abusive situations who are willing to play the victim and make excuses for not leaving.

And why is Congress picking on WWE? (Well the answer is a wrestler killed his family, but..) There are plenty of other sports where steroid abuse is rampant.

There are so many negative influences for children. I seriously doubt knowing their favorite wrestler could be on the juice is going to warp a child.

[huneychild]

Jan 3, 2009 18:32:43 GMT -5 lindsay said:

Damn Benoit

He's what started all of this. Man goes nuts and kills his family, so let's hold a congressional hearing. I don't think anyone's stopped to consider that maybe he had "issues" other than taking steroids. I know steroids are bad and lead to "roid rage." But please, his wrestling accomplishments aside, the man was unbalanced.

I don't mean to make light of the situation. What he did was awful, but there were clearly warning signs, and again, not meaning to be insensitive, the man was abusive and his wife didn't leave. Duh....

Sorry, I just have zero empathy for women in abusive situations who are willing to play the victim and make excuses for not leaving.

And why is Congress picking on WWE? (Well the answer is a wrestler killed his family, but..) There are plenty of other sports where steroid abuse is rampant.

There are so many negative influences for children. I seriously doubt knowing their favorite wrestler could be on the juice is going to warp a child.

I agree with everything you guys just said. This should not have started just because a man killed his family, then himself. My question is, with two UFC fighters that have committed murder/suicides in the last month, is Congress going to investigate the UFC?

[Ashton]

There's always a scapegoat. People just can't get over the fact that we'll never know what happened or why it happened. We never ever will. There has to be someone to blame, because otherwise people might have to accept the fact that sometimes people do these things out of the blue.

As terrible and tragic as it is it happens all the time and it was only shocking because it was someone we'd come to somewhat know over the years. Sometimes there aren't even warning signs. Have you guys ever heard of John List? One day he murdered his mother, wife, and kids. He just woke up and decided to do it.

You never truly know what's going on in someone else's head, and sometimes searching for a reason is just futile. Sometimes things just happen for no reason at all.

[lindsay]

As terrible and tragic as it is it happens all the time and it was only shocking because it was someone we'd come to somewhat know over the years.

That's the truth. If no one had ever heard the name Chris Benoit, this would never have been given a second thought.

Men murder their wives every single day. It's scary, but true. And the majority, dare I say 99%, never took steroids.

[huneychild]

Men murder their wives every single day. It's scary, but true. And the majority, dare I say 99%, never took steroids.

That is absolutely true. Unfortunately, we as a society can't except just "no reason" even though that is truly the case.

[Ashton]

I agree with both of you completely. I think the reason that people won't accept it is because it's so scary.

[huneychild]

People really don't want to believe in that kind of evil.

[Monster]

Jan 3, 2009 20:57:19 GMT -5 huneychild said:

People really don't want to believe in that kind of evil.

They dont want to believe in that kind of evil yet they watch and take their children to premiers like "The Strangers" ?

I never saw that movie but my brother told me what it was about. And he told me that the killings in that movie were done just because the victims were around. I am not understanding people.

Has anyone read the autobiography of Mick Foley?

its called:Foley is Good: And the Real World is Faker Than Wrestling.
if not go out and read it. I cannot stand the man as a wrestler but as an author he is amazing. In this book he hits on a lot of the points you guys are talking about.

[Ashton]

I saw "The Strangers". Very very disturbing movie. They are making a sequel.